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Problems with Vinyl
First off, love the album! So far my favorite has to be "Mourning This Morning". I was really excited to be able to get the album on Vinyl and had it pre-ordered as soon as it was available. I got it on Monday and got to play it for the first time yesterday. The first record played through and was wonderful in a way that only vinyl can be. Sadly, "C" side skips about half way through Saviour. I called Merchnow and it seems like they have gotten a bunch of calls about this. They said they were aware that they may have some bad pressings of the album and I would be getting a replacement in 4-6 weeks. Has anyone else here had this issue?
I appreciate that they are going to replace them pretty easily, but I am pretty bummed that I can't listen to the entire album until then. I really wanted a lossless vinyl rip for my iPhone, but I guess I'll have to settle for a CD rip until then. Oh well.
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Evil Merlin
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I'll definitely have to check mine out now. I've already opened it and checked it out but I've yet to listen to it. Glad to see Merchnow is on top of this and aware just incase mine is indeed scratched. If it is, it's gonna make an awesome wall mount once it's framed.
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thornswrath
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@ el cielo - Not trying to be nitpicky but when you said 'vinyl has a limited number of plays', I wanted to add something to that. If you take care of your vinyl records - keep em clean, don't let em collect dust and don't leave em lying around, etc, then they are guaranteed to last longer than CDs. CDs are far more likely to end up scratched and unplayable sooner than vinyl. Most people don't know this, and I want to set the record straight (no pun intended :b).
Definitely get into vinyl collecting, el cielo. Here are some tips you want to remember:
~ When you get a turntable, consider buying a used, belt-driven turntable instead of a new one.
(Take particular care to avoid buying a new turntable that comes with a factory-installed needle. They are worthless.) You want a turntable where the needle cartridge is *replaceable*. You want to spend at least $35 or more on the needle cartridge - you need to get an "Expanded Dynamic Range" diamond needle. Factory-installed needles SUCK - and you won't get the benefit of the deep, rich, organic sound an Expanded Dynamic Range needle will afford you. Besides - you'll pay the same price for an older, used, but sturdy belt-driven turntable with an expanded dynamic range needle as you would for a brand spanking new piece of factory-churned plastic shit.
~ You want a good receiver with plenty of wattage. Again, there are plenty of older, used, sturdy, vintage receivers out there - check craigslist or whatnot - - that will kick the ASS of some of the newer stuff. Not necessarily - it depends on how much you want to spend -- just make sure you have several hundred watts per channel, and you'll be amazed at the difference the sound coming from your speakers makes.
~ Speaking of speakers, you want nice speakers (of course). Just make sure they can handle the watts-per-channel from your receiver.
~ You can get speaker -wires that are "oxygen free", that is, their insulation is compressed to not allow air or oxygen into them, which results in a more efficient connection, and thus, a cleaner sound. (Not kidding around here.)
~ When keeping your records clean, use a 100% cotton cloth and a solution of alcohol-based water in a spray bottle. Another thing you can do to keep older used albums you might score for cheap at record stores, is lighter fluid. Just a dab of that on the record wiped down with the cotton cloth will really clean it up, and remove any excess gunk that may have gotten stuck down in the grooves. You can even use the lighter fluid (very sparingly) to buff up the outer album cover. You'd be surprised how an old, used, greasy, dusty dirty album - - both the cover / jacket as well as the vinyl inside - can be polished back to a brand-spanking new look, as if brand new again, with just that cloth and some drops of lighter fluid.
Well those are the basic tips I can think of. Definitely get into vinyl - it is, after you eliminate all the myths and distortions and misunderstandings about it - - a far more enduring form of music preservation than digital CDs. The trick is taking care of your vinyl properly, and also playing it through the appropriate equipment. -
InfraredDream
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I will take a damaged copy I just bought it to support the band. I don't even own a record player.
Same here. I used to have a player and I still have it, but I moved an year ago and left it with other people. -
e1cie1o
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Hey thornswrath,
Thanks for the tips. I just wanted to clarify a few things. I didn't mean to imply that vinyl had a short lifespan. The reality is, I can take a FLAC rip f a cd (or vinyl) and as long as I back it up, and move it with my other things when I get new hard disks or computers i can play it an infinite number of times. If I have the actual vinyl copy it will eventually fail with regular use. This may be after more plays than a comparable cd, but it will probably happen. I figure since alot of these releases won't necessarily be available 30 years from now, but I want to have it 30 years from now. Should something bad happen to my copy, I would like to have a backup.
I'm actually not new to vinyl. I have been listening to it my whole life. My collection is not huge, about 125 albums, but it is cherished and taken care of. As for the turntables, I am upgrading from an old model it is a Bang & Olufsen Beogram 3000 from 1974. I like it quite a bit. It is well built and plays nicely. The problem is, they don't make the SP12 cartridge anymore and it costs about $200 to refit mine with a new stylus. Also, if at some point the cantilever breaks, I would need a whole new SP12. I decided on the mmf 5.1 se for a few reasons. It can take any number of cartridges other than the Goldring that comes on it. I would most likely upgrade that fairly soon anyway. This table is nicely built, very sturdy, and reasonably priced. I do like some of the older models, but I want to have one that can more easily be serviced. I was actually looking at an older Rega Planar 3, since they are still producing a version and it would be easily serviced, but have heard that their motors sometimes have problems with spinning at a constant speed. Any other specific model recommendations? I am looking at a $800-$1500 price range.
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joshreluctant
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I bought mine at a huge record store in hollywood, and i doubt they're going to be doing any replacement. I actually kind of dig the loop. Not really sure why. But this defect has nothing to do with the overall album. This album sounds so much better on vinyl. Such a warm and room-filling sound. I still throw it on my iPod when I'm in the car, but even this bad pressing still sounds amazing.
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strangemeders
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Has anyone bought the vinyl and found both side to be A and B. I get through sides A and B and onto the next record to hear that its side A and B again. I bought mine at a local record store so I took it back and they told me to try another store. Went to the other store and got it, took it home to listen and the exact same thing happened. I'm super bummed, the first half sounds sooo good! Now I don't know what to do... I figure the company tried to fix the problem of the skip and they screwed up even more! I think i'm going to take my second one back and wait until they have fresh ones in. This is just so frustrating :(
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e1cie1o
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You know, I hope all of this doesn't discourage the band from re-releasing Leitmotif, El Cielo, and Catch on vinyl. While the production problems are a bit frustrating, I think the general consensus here is that the songs sound wonderful and everyone is pretty excited about the vinyl release.
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Ars SycroModerator
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You know, I hope all of this doesn't discourage the band from re-releasing Leitmotif, El Cielo, and Catch on vinyl. While the production problems are a bit frustrating, I think the general consensus here is that the songs sound wonderful and everyone is pretty excited about the vinyl release.
I'm pretty sure Leitmotif is the only other one they could release. They don't own the rights to distributing "El Cielo" and "Catch Without Arms" the way they do with "Leitmotif" and "The Pariah, The Parrot, The Delusion" -
e1cie1o
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You know, I hope all of this doesn't discourage the band from re-releasing Leitmotif, El Cielo, and Catch on vinyl. While the production problems are a bit frustrating, I think the general consensus here is that the songs sound wonderful and everyone is pretty excited about the vinyl release.
I'm pretty sure Leitmotif is the only other one they could release. They don't own the rights to distributing "El Cielo" and "Catch Without Arms" the way they do with "Leitmotif" and "The Pariah, The Parrot, The Delusion"
While I know you are most likely right... I'm gonna hope it's a situation like The Mars Volta, where they release the CD on Universal and retain the rights to the Vinyl release and release on GSL (at least the first couple albums). Maybe this won't happen, but I can dream! -
kickinfatbeats
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well i certainly hope that if they should have to do a second pressing to replace some defective copies that they will just go ahead and order some more, 'cause i'm over here really kicking myself for not getting in on that preorder
